SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome to What Would Amber Do with your host, Amber Howard, your weekly demost of guidance, inspiration, and strategies to have your small business and whole life thrive. We bring you incredible guests who share their real life experiences of being an entrepreneur so you can have your whole life work. Now, here's your host, Amber Howard.

SPEAKER_03 0:26

Good morning. Welcome back to What Would Amber Do? I am so grateful this morning to have Zion Sage as my guest. She is a consultant, coach, and change agent who works, has worked in both the not-for-profit and the for-profit sectors. Zion excels at helping organizations move through change and in coaching and developing leaders. On top of that, she lives in New York and she's a mom. Well, I think she used to live in New York. I don't know. Maybe you don't live in New York anymore. But we met in New York, and Zion's going to share about that in a moment. But just thank you so much, Zion, for being here this morning. I'm so excited to have this time with you.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

Thank you so much, Amber, for this warm welcome. Thank you for the invitation to the show. I'm so excited to talk with you this morning and share so much with your audience today. To answer your question, you're right. We met in New York. I am currently in Connecticut in my hometown in Norwalk. So excited to be here.

SPEAKER_03 1:31

Really great. Why don't you share? I said to you, I said to Zion when we were getting ready for the interview, I wanted to hear her share about how we met. Because like, you know, there's always two sides to things, and I have my my version of what that those moments were like, but I'd love to hear from you. Why don't you share with everyone how we did meet each other? Yeah, sure. I'd love to.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

Um, so I love this story. I love how we met, Amber. Um, here we both were in LaGuardia Airport in the middle of the night, waiting for our flights. I was heading to Atlanta. Um, I was in grad school at the time. This was like a few years ago. And um we were, yeah, waiting for our early morning flight. It was like probably like three or four in the morning or something like that, right? Um, that's about right. And I don't know, you were sitting there and um amongst a bunch of people who were trying to catch a nap or you know, kill time until their flights. And I think you you asked me a question or something, and I came over and um I was walking by, I think, and we just started talking. I don't remember how the conversation started.

SPEAKER_03 2:39

I I think you needed to charge your phone or something, and I think I was sitting near the plug, if I remember correctly. I might be wrong though. But yeah, it was just kind of one of those moments.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

Yeah, no, that that's like so accurate. My phone was always dying. So yeah. Well, thank you for allowing me to use the plug near you.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

Um this uh, you know, literally sparked the conversation, right? And um, we just started to talk about so much we had in common, um, both as coaches, both as change agents, both had these spectacular visions um for uh creating a better world. Um and the synergy just was amazing. And we we exchanged numbers and we've we've been in contact ever since.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

Yeah, it was that was my I think it was my first weekend perhaps in the Introduction Leaders program. I was in New York for training and getting ready to head back to to Canada to Toronto. And I I you've used the word when talking about our connection, but just really kindred spirits. There just from the first moment I met you, Zion, I was like, okay, this is I found one. This one's gonna be hard, you know. I'm gonna know this one forever. And uh I felt like I could have talked to you forever. Um yeah, and uh so I'm excited. Uh I love the fact that I found something beautiful and good about LaGuardia Airport because it's not one of my favorite airports to fly through, not gonna lie. But I'm so grateful for LaGuardia that I got to meet you that night and uh grateful that we get to continue just dancing in conversation together and in life.

SPEAKER_02 4:15

Yeah, you're you're too kind. I'm grateful for that on the calendar as well, um, to have this lifelong kindred relationship, you know. So thank you.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

I really wanted to have a conversation this morning. So you you did say we we both share a passion for change management, uh, you know, helping organizations move through and and have change be something that's, you know, a lot of human beings, there tends to be a resistance towards change, um, especially when it's disruptive. And so the having a set of tools that allows people to be able to transition through change and have great outcomes, I think is something that we're both very passionate about. And perhaps for small business owners, you know, for people who are listening to this podcast, maybe not something that's even on their radar, because even if they are aware of what formal change management is as a company, it's like something that big corporations do. So, you know, really why is change management so important to you for everyone, not just like big corporations, but why do you think managing change is so important?

SPEAKER_02 5:26

You know, that's a really good question, Amber. Um, I'll start by saying that managing change is something that we do every day in our daily lives, whether we're managing our households, um managing relationships, um, managing companies, managing teams, you know, managing our budgets, we're managing changes that are constantly happening, right? Um, and I I want to point out the difference between change management as a skill and change management as a as your primary role in an organization, right? I think that everyone here um on the call or listening in uses change management as a skill every day in their life. And how we do that, what that looks like, is we um articulate a change that we want to see happen, right? We communicate that change, right? We're gonna have to educate people about this change, right? We're gonna have to create buy-in, we're going to have to make sure we know this change is actually sticking, so we have some sustainability, some metrics, something to say that this is actually working, right? What does success look like, right? And how do we know we got there, right? Um, and then we go back and sometimes sometimes we have the presence of mind to look back at our whole process um and tweak it and perfect it. Um, and G Jong keeps striving for that, right? Um, and that's and that's how we can just use it every day as a skill. Now, as a in our role, we have more tech, we have more tools, we have methodologies to rely on, we have a network of people, agents, change agents. Um we have sometimes we have teams, we have our learning department, we have our communication, corporate communications department, we have marketing to assist us in um uh manage these managing these changes in organizations. And this can happen whether you're a large organization or a small business owner like myself. Um, I hope that answers your question.

SPEAKER_03 7:25

Yeah, I know it does. And I love like I love how you I kind of how you humanize change management because I think it's true. Whether you're like teaching your child how to go to the use the bathroom, or you're looking at moving locations, or you're you're out to have a conversation with your partner about changing your child's school or anything, you know. Heraclitus says you never step in the same river twice. Change is it, and if anything, this last seven months since COVID, you know, we've all learned that uncertainty is just life. The the the there's a uncertainty, the the the there's an illusion that there's certainty. And we we live inside that illusion of certainty sometimes, and life is uncertain. And absolutely being able to have a language uh to speak about change and to understand it, and and and even imagine get to the point where you could embrace change as being an opportunity and not something to be feared. I think as small business owners, entrepreneurs, as human beings, there's a huge opportunity there because whatever we resist persists. So if we resist change, then we end up giving our energy over to avoidance behaviors versus, well, using the our higher faculties of our perception to say, well, how could I view this change that's happening, this uncertainty as an opportunity? How could I how could I pull this towards me for growth?

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Absolutely. So this is a behavioral change that we want to stick. It's a mindset that changes that needs to change too. And I'm glad you brought up the pandemic, this global pandemic that, you know, that we're we're grappling with. Um uh, you know, change management, organizational change management, if I can connect the doctor people, is very similar to um social change, right? Um in the same ways that we want to change behaviors um and spread awareness, as activists, when we're embarking on creating social change, we want to raise consciousness. And we're just using different language, but we're using very similar techniques, and we're also looking for sometimes very similar outcomes as well. Um, and I'm glad you brought the term resistance. The term resistance is often misused in change management as well. It's often misunderstood, I think is what it is. Um, what looks like resistance?

SPEAKER_03 9:55

100% agree. I actually really don't like the term change resistance because I just think it it glosses like I couldn't agree more. I think it glosses over when people have genuine concerns for things that need to get managed about the change, and then we we tend to bias and just say, oh, people change the sisters or so we don't deal with what there is to deal with about supporting human beings as they transition through whatever the change is happening.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

Yeah, absolutely. We start we stop looking at the person as the whole person, we start, and this opens the door to implicit biases and things like that, you know. But um, but if we're if we're being curious, right, lean into that, those the um their enquiries maybe um uh we're able to learn from them and grow. They're maybe they're going to change our process, change the technology. Perhaps they're closer to the work we're looking to change, and they can give us some insight that'll save us some time, energy, money down the road if we just listened and were more curious.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

Yeah, I always say you're gonna have the conversation one way or another, right? So would you rather have the conversation up front when you know what the person has to contribute could make a difference in being successful at whatever you're endeavoring to take on? Or would you rather have the conversation after the fact when you've either, as you said, wasted time, money, or resources, or you now have people, and it doesn't matter the size of your team, right? You could be a team of two, a team of 50, or a team of thousands. But when you stop actually engaging and listening to people and really getting what they're dealing with, then you end up having a whole different challenge in organizations, which is like employee engagement, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:43

Well said. Well said. I mean, I know you have an extensive background in change management, project management, event planning, you name it. Um, you've done it. And um I I just I'm just so happy to be on this call with you to hear um more about your perspective as well. And I'm so happy that we are in alignment about resistance. Uh we should we should team up and come up with a new word. Um I agree. I'd love to change it.

SPEAKER_03 12:07

I it's so cool that you get that you can do that, right? So I'm writing this ebook. It's gonna be launching next week on or next month on goal setting. And I just was getting so stuck on smart goals because I'm like, they just don't work for me anymore. And I teach them, I teach this idea of smart goals. And it's not that smart goals is wrong or bad. Like, don't hear, I don't want anyone to hear that I'm saying that because I'm not. It's just as I've developed myself over time, it's just insufficient. Like when I think about a goal that's worthy of my life, you know, my purpose, it's like that it's that's specific and relevant and achievable and measurable and time-bounded. It just, it's not, it's not expansive enough, right? So I was uh relaxing. I was actually, I think I've shared on the podcast before, I've been learning to listen and slow down, which is um a miracle really in my life, because I was someone who was like go, go, go forever. Congrats. And then yeah, and in that moment, I was like, why can't I create my own acronym? Someone created SMART goals. Like, why can't? And so I'll be launching it in the ebook and I'll keep that as a bit of a surprise. Maybe we'll do a session on that. And we totally can create a whole new term. Like we should uh get together and brainstorm that. And how could we speak about people who aren't pulling the change towards them for whatever reason in a way that you know is more in embracing and creates an opportunity for discussion versus causes people to shut down? Because I think that's a lot of what happens on both sides of that conversation.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

Yeah, and I think that some people are not um you know skilled in how to communicate, you know. Sometimes they're not um given the autonomy to share their thoughts, even if they're not popular, um, with perhaps leadership. And they just might not feel comfortable or know how to start that conversation and say, um, this is how I feel about this, this is how I think we should do this differently, or um, you know, things like that. And so um, you know, there's opportunity for training there too, and opportunity for us to just explore that too. Um I I touched on it a little bit during grad school about resistance and exploring that. I'd love to explore much deeper, broader. I'm sure there's a lot of um research and psychology that could speak to that as well. Um, but I think that there's I think that there's more that we can dig into in regards to our surveys, our focus groups, things like that to make them more engaging and more open and then also just doing our due diligence, following up with what these these people are saying, these employees are saying, and really taking what they're saying um near and dear to heart and um exploring deeper into what they're what they're looking for. If there's a process, a system, um, people, um, obstacle that's you know that they've are that they've identified, we know we need to, you know, explore that and dig deeper.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

Yeah, I think it comes back to uh and one of the reasons why you and I are kindred spirits is it's all about people, right? And the all of this conversation about change management or managing change is all about so you know, supporting people and being able to have people be taken care of. And I love what you said and and how you made the made the comparison or the analogy between organizational change management and social change. Because for me, it all comes down to like four things, right? Where we are today, what's our current state, where are we wanting to go, what are the gaps, and then what are the solutions to close those gaps? And and whether that we're talking about you know, Black Lives Matter and social change or ending global poverty, there is some place we are today, some place we want to get to. And then part of it is also getting that awareness and getting people on the same page about okay, well, where are we trying to get to?

SPEAKER_02 16:09

Absolutely.

unknown 16:11

Right.

SPEAKER_02 16:11

Absolutely. I would sit side by side with an activist, and they would be, you know, sharing their cause, and there'd be so much passion there. They would share what they've tried, they would share um uh the res, you know, um how things didn't work, you know, or what progress they've made too. But oftentimes they would talk about you know, more of what's not working, right? And um, and because things are happening like in regards to Black Lives Matter movement, things are happening constantly. Every day we're waking up and we're grieving another Black life loss at the hands of um systemic um racism, right? And um, I'll be sitting side by side next to them, and I'm like, oh my goodness, there are tools and resources for you right here that you can also utilize in this book or from from from this res this theorist um that's right here and it's just in a different book. It's it's labeled change management. And you can apply that and be just as successful if these organizations be successful and creating change, there's no reason why we can't apply those same methodologies and be successful in social change. Yeah, I I 100% agree with you. Yeah, and it's a beautiful place. Um, you know, when you talk about uncertainty, I think that as far as small business owners owners, um I'm sure you could relate to this as well. The uncertainty that comes along with that, the ups and downs that kind of sometimes deter people from entrepreneurship. It also kind of what keeps us in the game, too, because we love the ups and downs and how we're able to um learn and um um go beyond our what we thought was our thresholds, right? Um, but this uncertainty, this ambiguity is actually the language that's used when I when I was when I was pursuing my master's degree in in organizational change management. You know, this was a normal step in the process. Ambiguity, ambiguity and uncertainty. And that's something that we are fear of in our everyday lives. It's like when we see the uncertainty, ambiguity, we run from it, we think that we're going down the wrong path. And in change management, it's like, no, keep going. You're on to something.

SPEAKER_03 18:29

I love that you say that. So in my in the program that I'm studying right now, we talk about like passing through the fear, the terror, the terror barrier and like that fear that comes up. You know, we we create an idea, small business owns anyone, like in our so in our conscious mind, I want to achieve X. And in our subconscious mind, we don't have brain patterns for that yet. And so there's a like a dissonance between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind, and that creates worry and doubt in our conscious mind, and those thoughts then create fear. So you could choose to see fear, we could choose to see fear as actually signs that we're on the right path. And actually, even like step into like pulling fear towards us.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 19:17

You know, so it's like fear is not something to run away from unless you're, you know, your life is really being threatened. That's a different kind of fear. But that fear of failure, I think to get it, you know, to be really clear, that fear of failure or fear of criticism, fear of what other people might say, that is like signs of, oh, though, like signposts. I'm I'm that's a marker. I'm on the right, I'm I'm moving in the right direction, just like you were saying with change management, that uncertainty, that ambiguity. No, like here's an opportunity for growth. Yes. And to break through something.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Oh my gosh, never well said. Well said. Um I think that you head on something else about what it takes to be a change leader or a change agent. I think that what's I think that the the characteristic that um is universal is humility. Uh that humility is what's going to allow us to make mistakes and love ourselves still. It's going to allow us to forgive ourselves and forgive others, right? And it's going to allow us to grow and learn, to see this fear, this uncertainty as opportunities for growth, right? Then we're going to be comfortable with making mistakes along the way, asking for help, doing our due diligence. There's there's a if there's an app for that, I'm sure there's a book, a book on which you're grappling with because there's nothing new under the sun, right?

unknown 20:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

Speaking of which there being nothing new under the sun, what what's one of you know what's one of your favorite books on self-development? I'm I'm always curious to know this about people because plus I'm I'm always looking to grow my library. But yeah, what really stands out? And I'm sure there's a bunch, so it might be hard to pick one, but what what kind of stands out for you?

SPEAKER_02 21:07

Oh my goodness, Amber, it's such a hard question. It's a difficult question. Like, how can I choose one? I'm pretty sure you've you've read them all too, right? Um, because you know, your your background and experience. Um oh my gosh, there's so many. Okay, so Who Moved My Cheese? Um I like The Way of the Warrior by Paolo Coello. Um I like partially any book by Deepak Chopra. Um Humble Consulting by Edgar Schein. It's a good one. Um let's see. Gosh, there's so many others.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

Um I think that's probably a good start, and I haven't read them all because I haven't read any of those, so there you go.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Oh really?

SPEAKER_03 21:56

Yeah, I know, it's interesting. So I studied philosophy for a long time. So I read that like I went to the source and then I did a lot of work reading like professional development, like a lot of my reading and my studying was in the world of professional development, getting certified in various different things. It's only been in the last couple of years that I've actually stepped into what would norm formally call be personal development, which for me is like the application of those philosophical conversations or spiritual conversations to life. So I studied them academically, and now it's like in personal development, you're learning how do you take the philosophies of Descartes and Aristotle and Plato and Socrates and Kierkegaard and Spinoza and all of these, you know, Nietzsche. How do you take those concepts and actually like the modern day philosophers? That's what I see a lot of, you know, Deepak Chopra and Jin from Mind Valley, these people are to me modern day philosophers who are building upon, you know, it's always giants standing on the shoulders of giants, right? You say that nothing new under the sun, because that's what happens, right? People take other people's work and evolve it and expand it and add their own uniqueness to it, which I think is is really beautiful. So that's I I will check those books out. Thank you for sharing. What to you do they have like have in common? Like what about those books stands out for you?

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Oh, good question. Um, I mean, well, the most obvious to me would be like I I transformed. It was it was I like to use the word transmobifying um because sometimes change is surprising. Um uh sometimes people use the example of like the princess and the frog, right? You know, here was this frog with all this great potential, what Deepak would call infinite potentiality, right? Um, and he had a belief system that someone imposed on him, right? Or her right, and it took someone else reminding this frog of who he or she really is, right, could be, and lifting that curse, that um that mindset that wasn't serving him or her, and becoming transforming into this surprising new being. Um, you know, and this is this is what I call like, you know, self-actualizing, right? Um, or Mass will call self-actualizing. We can reach we can we can reach self-actualization as organizational change agents, as activists, or everyday change agents in our in our lives, right? Um, so so that's that's what I that's what connected the dot, that's what connects these um various books for me. They they were transmogrifying. Transmorgy, I like that.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

Such a gift to be able to ongoingly recreate ourselves and recreate our experience of life. Like we're never stuck with anything, including those beliefs that we hold most, you know, it's like, well, that's the way the world is, or that's the way things are, or that we can question anything. I remember when I was in university and one of my philosophies, it was a course on death and dying, the ethics of death and dying. And my professor said, the great thing about philosophy is philosophy is like a ship, it's like a boat. He goes, You can question, there are no sacred cows in philosophy. You can question everything. You just have to make sure you have at least one plank to stand on when you do it. But you can literally question any plank that the boat is made out of. There's no, and and for me, that was very liberating. And until this moment, right now, something like you kind of forgot that what he was really like just getting on a deeper level, what he was really talking about in that moment is that this notion that there is some truth out there that is mine and that my truth is more valid or real than yours. Well, what if that was just an illusion?

SPEAKER_02 26:25

Right. Wow. This is why we're we're Kendra Spirits. Um, you know, what I what I love about you, um, Amber, is that you're always questioning, you're always open to evolving. I remember when we first met, you talked about um your your coaching and and the introspection that you were undergoing. And I thought that was amazing. And then when we we talked last a few months ago this year, we talked and you were telling me how that had how that had evolved. And then you were telling me about um your vision again, but you had so much more detail. And I I was humbled, honored that you had asked me to walk this path with you. Um, and I just I think that you just have so much to share with the world, your way of thinking, your questioning, um, your your openness to continue to evolve. And I just can't wait to see where you are next week, next year, 10 years from now. I just, I'm just so happy for you.

SPEAKER_03 27:29

Well, we are mirrors of each other, Zion. So that you can see that in me means it exists in you. So thank you. You're too crazy. Thank you. I got that acknowledgement. So one of the things we talk about on the show is what that transition to being an entrepreneur. And this is, you know, you've been a consultant in the past, and what's unique about your experience is you've opened up, it's like a whole there's no way that transition has to look. So you are working full-time right now and you've stepped into new opportunities, which is great because we always want to talk about multiple streams of income and having as many multiple streams of income as we want to have, like have that be expansive. So talk to me about how you made that work because I think sometimes people think it has to be one or the other, right? I have to give up my corporate gig or that security, that stability in order to be able to be a small business owner and entrepreneur. And you found a way to make that work. So like I'd love to hear about that journey. Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

Thank you. I love this question. I love this topic because you know, when people people usually feel that they have to choose one or the other. And I'm always like, well, why not have both? Yeah. You know, um, how do you make that work? You can make that work. You know, I happen to, I do work full-time as a change manager for a wonderful um enterprise, and I have the freedom to explore um outside employment. And so with that, I I continue to do consulting and change management. Um, I have a new opportunity starting next week. I'm so excited about it. Um, and I just get to, you know, continue to do what I love on my own terms. Um I love that with my corporate gig, I I have stability, I have benefits, I have resources at my fingertips, I have people who are experts in their field to work along with them, learn and grow with them. Um and then I can uh branch out into other industries, meet new people, and test out new ideas that maybe didn't fit in corporate or in in one particular organization or another. And I could go try them out at other places that I say, oh, this is a great fit. This is us, right? Um, and so I'm always looking for how do I tell myself yes? How do I continue to tell myself yes? Right. Um, and then again, again, have the humility to know when it's time to let something go, um, um, or or pass the baton to someone else.

SPEAKER_03 29:57

How do I keep telling myself yes? It's like I love that. What if you one of my mentors always says we ask the what if questions in the negative. So, like, what if it doesn't work out? Or what if I, but like, what if it does? What if you could have it all? What if you could literally just sit down? And I think this is something to really get. Money, even when it comes to creating financial goals and and the goal of financial abundance, money flows through us, through the companies that we work for to us. And and for those who work in corporate, and and I know for myself 100%, my life was defined by the size of my paycheck. I lived inside of that number. That was all I had because I had it like, well, that's that's the extent of the money I get to create. And so the money flows to you from there. And that doesn't mean that the the universe, God, whatever is sourceful for you, has infinite ways of being able to flow abundance to you in various different forms. And I love that you have said, no, you know, I'm a mom, I want the stability. I also want that, you know, because I think part of what people really enjoy about being in a corporate environment is the team, the camaraderie, uh, that experience of working towards goals together as a unit. Um, and so I want all of that, and I'm gonna have the charity on top of my Sunday. I want, I want another, I want other streams of revenue. I want to be able to expand myself. I want to be able to look out at these other organizations and see how I can expand the difference and the impact that I get to make in the world, which is great, because then you could you could start looking at not-for-profit work or start looking at work that's more aligned to some of the, not just you or anyone, you know, aligned to some of the other goals or take actions that move you towards fulfilling on a different purpose or a more broader experience of your purpose while still having that stability. Uh it doesn't, again, it doesn't have to look one way, which I think is brilliant.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Oh, thank you. Um, I I didn't think of it.

SPEAKER_03 32:09

Um, I I love fully promote the stealing of ideas or the borrowing of ideas. Right.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

Um what I what I really love where I am at this point in my career and and personal life is that what organizing myself as an entity has allowed me to do was to organize what I know, preserve how I deliver it, and then build upon and allow it to evolve either through myself and others. And and what's really just the icing on the cake or the cherry on the cake is when I get newbies, I get new people in the change management profession, inbox me on LinkedIn and say, Hey, can I still bit up your time and ask you some questions about how do I do this thing? What's your advice? And I love to share and I just pour into folks and I just love it. Um, and I'll just and I just tell them tell me how it worked out and teach me something, you know, to tell me something new so I can I can be better as well. Um, and one of the key things I tell folks is to have multiple streams of revenue. Um that was that was shared with me um through a mentor. I believed in it too, and um it it just continues to open doors for me and it always makes me feel like I am, you know, oftentimes people leave corporate environments because they're trying to they feel like they're losing themselves in it. And you can also you can also lose yourself in a small business. And so and so just really being true to yourself and um open to new opportunities, I think that's those are the best ways of of striking that balance and and getting the best of both worlds.

SPEAKER_03 34:02

Yeah, and I really want to acknowledge the company that you work for too, right? Because I think it it takes, it says something about that organization that they see you taking on outside work probably even as an opportunity because you're gonna bring back experience and knowledge and understanding from the other places that you it it's it's I like I I use the word expansive a lot, but and I like that because I think life is expansive. Living things expand to the greatest extent that they can. And when we stop expanding, you there's no um, we don't sit still. Life is either expanding or it's dying. Right? So organizations, the organization that you work for, the company that you work for, that they're willing to allow for your growth and expansion as their employee, and they don't see that as a threat, means that they get to keep growing as well, which I think is is really brilliant. And I I would really love to see more and more corporate environments uh take on that mentality and that uh, you know, have that awareness. I think it's a it's extraordinary.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

They're truly magnetic. Um, and they're they have a they're remarkable organization. They have a strong presence in the community, um, leader in their industry as well. And for all these reasons, you know, and what we were talking about throughout this call is about the people and um they're they're truly um drive this organization. But to your point, not feeling that threat um when we're um allowing this to develop and grow, and like you said, being able to bring that back. Most people leave the company, take a sabbatical, you know. Um, I don't mean leave permanent, but take a sabbatical, leave for a year, travel the globe or something like that. And here I get to, you know, stay, stay put and apply my learning um in real time. And so I love it. And so I'm I'm truly grateful, truly, truly grateful for the opportunity that I have.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

Really good.

SPEAKER_03 35:56

What advice that you would give someone who's looking at, well, before we go there, you you one of the tools that I use to talk about the multiple streams of income. I want I thought to mention this earlier. I learned about from Bob Proctor actually that again creating an income visualization chart. So you literally put your primary source of income in the center, and then around it, I love the mind map. Uh, around it, you put all, you know, you ask yourself the question: how many streams of income do I want? Do I want five? Do I want 10? Do I want 20? It doesn't really matter. You can like pick whatever number you want. And then you would draw those circles, like you draw those circles around the primary source of income, and you don't even have to fill them in. This is what's amazing about it. Nature pours a vacuum. So that you created the space for it. It's gonna show up for you. That you created a placeholder for I want five streams of income. Right now I have one, and I don't know what those other four streams of income are, but I'm I'm asking for them. And I'm asking for the guidance. And then all of a sudden, that shifts your awareness and things start showing up that were not even on your radar before. And I think that that's really brilliant. Like we just all we have to do is ask for what we want, and then be willing to listen and and and trust our intuition and start paying attention. The minute you start shifting your focus away from what you don't want to what you do want, life literally becomes a miracle. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

Oh, gosh, well said. 100% agree with you, Amber. Yeah. Infinite miracles. Love it.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

Well, we're coming to the end of our time together, which is part of me sad because I could again speak to you forever. But what is there is there anything that I didn't ask you about that you're like, oh, I really wish you would have asked me that.

SPEAKER_01 37:55

Um, gosh.

SPEAKER_03 37:56

Or there's anything that you want to, you know, say in closing.

SPEAKER_02 38:02

I would I would just say that, and and if anyone took anything out of this conversation, I would hope they walk away with feeling inspired and feeling hopeful for what the future holds. You know, looking at our current state um globally or in our own individual lives and just releasing opportunity for growth and change, and hopefully found some tools and resources to um at least create that space by just first making that circle. Right. And asking.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

Really great. You're you're amazing. Thank you for everything that you do and just being an example of what it looks like to live a created life. Uh, because that's really who you are for me, Zion. And uh thank you for giving your time here and and contributing to my audience and and just yeah, just thank you. I'm so grateful to you.

SPEAKER_02 38:53

Thank you. I'm so grateful for you for this opportunity, Amber. Keep doing this great work, this remarkable work, and um look forward to the next episodes.

SPEAKER_00 39:02

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